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Multitouch Zero Force Setup Based on IR Laser Light
Posted: 28 May 2008 03:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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definitely impressive, could we get some more information on the laser? possible a source, cost and part number?

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Posted: 28 May 2008 04:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Hello again… Thanks for all your feedback and interest in my project.

First of all fuz3 is right about the size of my setup. The glass size on top is about 32x24 inches.
I found cheap modular shelf that I picked up in the local Lowe’s store. I like it beacuse of its adjustable height and various sizes that are available.

Since many of you have questions about the laser, I thought I should clarify a few things.

First of all, Helza1 is right. Using a single laser to illuminate the table has a drawback of the shadow effect. Although in order for this to happen, your fingers must be completely in line with the laset light, which I found to be rare, it is possible to happen.

There are two ways I would go about this:
1. Use a mirror around the edges of the glass. The mirror is placed perpendicular to the surface and it extends only about 1mm from the surface.
2. Shine a second laser from the different angle.
3. Alternatively, use both 1 & 2.

Now, some of you asked about the laser spread. I don’t use any filter as such in front of the laser. In order to achieve the light spread, I used cylindrical lens in front of the laser collimated laser beam.
What this does is that it spreads the laser light in one dimenstion only - thus generating a line. The line formed with this method has a Gaussian intensity distribution. Meaning - the line appears bright in the center and fades away towards the edges. In my setup the light spread is 90 degrees. This is why Microsoft is using three laser beams spread apart so that when they overlap they generate somewhat uniform brightness across the surface.
I must note that there are some more sophisticated line lens solutions that don’t suffer from fading of the light towards the edges. These are of course more expensive but generate pretty uniform light line from end to end.

This whole thing brings me back a few months ago and how I found out that I could use this in the multitouch applications.
I was using one of those laser levelers to hang some pictures in my house. I realized that the laser in the leveler device forms a horizontal light plane that when it intersects with the walls of the house creates a straight line or light. Immediately I took the leveler and placed so that its light plane is right above the acrylic. I removed the IR filter from the camera (since the light from leveler is red) and when I touched the top of the glass I saw very bright spots that are easily detected.
If any one of you is interested in repeating this experiment, just get a cheap laser lever and try it for your self. You’ll see what kind of difference in light output does it make the distance of the laser light plane from the acrylic. The nice thing about this is that the laser light is visible and easier to adjust. You can also experiment with the camera placement both below and above the acrylic surface and see how this affects the detection accuracy. You could also shine a laser line into the acrylic at diferent incoming angles and see if you can cause FTIR effect. This, of course, will not work with projector setup since the laser leveler emits only visible light. To make it work with real MT setup you’ll need an IR emitting laser diode.

If anyone of you is interested, I could post some simple instructions on building your own low-cost IR laser line module that you can use in your MT setups.

Oh, one more thing, by simply adding a laser module you can modify the MTmini setup to use the IR laser light instead of the ambient light. This will make it usable in dark environments as well.

Hope this helps…

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Posted: 28 May 2008 06:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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Hi Alex,

Thanks for more info.

+1 from me for the guide.

Would be great if you could include some rough costs and where you got the parts (might help in finding a local supplier).

Once again great work.

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Posted: 28 May 2008 07:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Again thank you Alex for the info. +2 for the guide tongue wink

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Posted: 28 May 2008 08:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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I’m a beast at math… not really .... I hate geometry but my exam is next week so I gotta keep my math in tip-top shape. So by a cylindrical lens u mean like a piece of glass that is in the shape of cylinder right? Comparatively sized to the laser beam how large is the lens. Which plane is perpendicular to the lens when it is setup? The X plan or Y plane? Is the circular/round edge facing out, or is the flat part facing out of the laser?

Hope that makes some sense!

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Posted: 29 May 2008 12:01 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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ummm wow? that was amazing!

Mad Props, and yes “some simple instructions on building your own low-cost IR laser line module that you can use in your MT setups” would be (F-word)ing awesome!

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Posted: 29 May 2008 12:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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I was trying to sort out why i had seen cheap laser plane generators before and then i remembered this DIY laser scanner at instructables. Basically you can use an acrylic rod as a cylindrical lens. I think its time to order me some IR lasers.
http://www.instructables.com/id/3-D-Laser-Scanner/

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Posted: 29 May 2008 12:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Vlado - 28 May 2008 08:24 AM

Hi , this is really interesting and your setup looks great.How exactly are you dispersing the laser evenly on the surface?Where did you get the laser , the diode looks preaty small and seaing you said it’s 3.5mW , is it from a CD-ROM or did you buy it separately.

Could you please try out this setup without the bandpass filter but with touchlib’s background removal function , if it works whitout the bandpass filter i think we just got a better way of building tables.

Hey Vlado,
The setup you suggested is exactly what I originally experimented with (visible red laser) and it worked well.
Here is my setup (single IR laser) running touchlib in a lit room without any IR bandpass filter installed on the camera. As you can see, in the first screen capture, the blobs are still brighter than the background and therefore fully detectable.

BTW, since my camera captures very clean uncompressed picture, I found that smooth filter blurs the picture a little bit too much.
In the second screen capture I removed it and as you can see blobs are even sharper.

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Posted: 29 May 2008 04:14 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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Nick - 28 May 2008 08:11 AM

gally - 28 May 2008 07:22 AM
nice 1 !
How much mW is the laser?  5mW or more ?

Alex mentions that he is getting 3.5mW. But didn’t mention in terms of cost if thats what you mean.

Ooops, sorry i’m blind :s

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Posted: 29 May 2008 04:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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+1 another one hehe..

I’ve got one of those cheap laser liners laying around.. excellent idea, i didn’t think about it.. i’m definetly gonna try this out smile

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Posted: 29 May 2008 06:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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Thank you for the info and test Alex , congrats again , your the first to make this baby happen here smile

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Posted: 29 May 2008 11:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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Can the laser emitter from a cdrw drive be modified or swapped
with the red emitter from a laser level like this ?  The heads have a lens
built n that makes a flat plane of light . (this model has 4 heads)
Getting ready to tear something apart and see what i can find !!  cool smile

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Posted: 29 May 2008 11:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Hey Daddyoli, I’m currently testing several IR Lasers from DVD-Rom drives. Going to put maybe 4 around a piece of acrylic and see what happens. Let us know how you go smile

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Posted: 29 May 2008 11:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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We are on the same page !!  cool smile

Are you going above the acrylic or shinning into the edge ?
could you maybe share a pic of your lasers ?

I keep ya posted on what i find here.

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Posted: 30 May 2008 01:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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HeHe, Going to try both into the acrylic and above. Worked out that with a Pioneer DVD-Rom IR Laser, I can run it at 1.951v @ 131mA without it getting hot. 2.3V or 300mA plus, kills the Laser. Lucky I have heaps of these tongue wink Here’s a pic of my laser (not on)
When I set them up for test i’ll post some pics.

There is a red glow when it’s on, and I would recommend not looking at it for too long as there is a HUGE amount of concentrated IR which is Sooo not good for your eyes!

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