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Posted: 30 December 2007 03:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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Hi deej, Im not in software… id like to learn but i know nothing… I have simply use touchlib as3 demo and mousedriver…

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Posted: 31 December 2007 07:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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awesome tutorial!!
this will be a great asset to the community!!!

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Posted: 02 January 2008 03:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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forgot to ask this but what is the “fish-eye effect” you mentioned in your tutorial?  You said that it was caused by contamination and i have no idea what it would look like.  Is this like where you have an oiled surface and say you place water droplets on the surface and it beads up?

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Posted: 02 January 2008 03:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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hi, estengeneer,
thanx for the good comments!
here a pic i’ve found on the internet… its with varnish but its the same kind…
Its a common problem with this kind of application… When you have water or incompatible substance in your mix…

p.s. if there’s anyone trying my solution i would like to ear about your results…

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Posted: 04 January 2008 02:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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i have been searching for toulene and it’s not quite abundant over here where i am.  Is there some thing else that will thin the removable caulking? Ethanol, M.E.K., acetone, etc?

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Posted: 04 January 2008 03:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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You could look for chemicals supply house they also sell it. For other solvant i cant tell you because i didnt try… Toluene is a common solvant by here so....

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Posted: 05 January 2008 07:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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Nice tutorial Christopher!
I will soon start with my screen (just finished my diy-beamer) and post results smile

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Posted: 10 January 2008 05:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Hello Christopher,

did you know some equivalent product in France for caulk tube or exact translation of this for finding some thing here (in Paris)?

Than’ks a lot for you information !

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Posted: 18 January 2008 05:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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A nice low-budget solution! Great to have a step-by-step reader to back it up.

I also tested this for my project. Stuff used:

(the links point to Dutch retailers, because the DAP Christopher mentioned couldn’t be found here in The Netherlands)

- An A-branded (thus expensive) 100% silicone-based transparent caulk (€10/$15) here.
- A cheap house-branded transparent silicone caulk (€2/$3) from this retailer.
- Thinner (it’s standard toluene based and freely available).
- Toluene is hard to come by, because EU codes want to ban it for the future; it leads to cancer and damages the central nerve system, so I have read (just don’t take big sniff). But I found some in my school’s chemo-lab, so that was easy & free of charge. Optionally it can be orderer here. The shop is a bit messy, but you must order by article code, after which you get a confirmation email with the price. They deliver to individuals and in any quantity, so that’s a plus.
- Some acrylic to test upon.
- A vaporiser which drives on handpower. Otherwise this looks like a good and cheap electrical solution.

The testing was 4-folded: each solution was mixed with one caulk until a clear and slimy substance occured. It was dried for about 24 hours, and to be short: it failed on all four. Three mixes lost their transparency, and the clear one wouldn’t dry (was mixed to watery). One thing was noticable: toluene isn’t a good mixing solution as thinner is, and is even more expensive, so use thinner for DIY solutions.

Maybe the problem was the compound of the caulk. I tried to cross-examen the ingredients of DAP and my caulks but couldn’t find anything. And in stead of trying all the different caulks at the construction market, it’s gonna be Sort A Clear for now.

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Posted: 20 January 2008 07:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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Hi Christopher,

About your rubber solution.. how much toluene has to be used per Dap tube (300ml)?

300ml = ???ml of toluene?

Another thing, Can you tell me the Dap specs that you are using? I found 2 types of Transparent DAP and another brand..

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Posted: 21 January 2008 05:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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great howto

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Posted: 23 January 2008 09:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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Hi everyone,
I’ve been really busy recently.... im sorry for late replys…

fbmfbm--- French translation should sound like: Mastique d’isolation retirable ou quelque chose du genre....

Brinkmeister--- You should always look a the product base solvent and try to use it. If you dont use the right solvent for the right product it will lead to contamination and the product wont be stable. I cant tell you wich product to use but i think there should have a lot of rubber than you can spray. You could look in car or marine product too....

monty--- 1 tube of dap request aprox. 1.5 to 1.8 liter to completely disolve.

My screen is working really well now, I’m working on finishing the esthetic side.

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Posted: 27 January 2008 08:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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thank’s Christopher,

for now i have make some test with some equivalent products i can find here and it seam to react really well
for information, i use rubber with “White Spirit” as base solvent.

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Posted: 29 January 2008 10:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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For those looking for toluene, I (finally) recieved some information from these guys: Labshop.nl. They sell liters for €5,76 (incl. tax).

Orders beneath €50 come with transport costs (that’s 9 liters, someone building a MT wall?). Within The Netherlands it’s €11,50 (excl. tax), and for sendings abroad I dunno, but they do send there.

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Posted: 22 February 2008 10:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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Hi everyone, Im really busy by now so i dont reply really fast!

heres another link to buy the caulk tube:

http://www.amazon.com/18324-10-1-Seal-N-Caulk/dp/B000LNO0AM/ref=pd_bbs_sr_11?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1203737161&sr=8-11

Toluene:

http://www.amazon.com/Klean-Strip-KLEAN-STRIP-TOLUENE-solvent-specialty/dp/B000UBR53E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1203737257&sr=1-1

http://store.hamiltonmarine.com/browse.cfm/4,5722.htm

http://www.pc6spares.com/toluenegl.html

http://www.nrsweb.com/shop/product.asp?pfid=1920

http://paint-and-supplies.hardwarestore.com/50-280-paint-thinners/toluol-toluene-solvent-143487.aspx

http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=4031&YAHOOSHOP

here a some links to really interesting rubber i’ve found… I didnt try anyone of them but many seem to be sprayable....

http://www2.dupont.com/Directories/en_US/Products_Services_Index/Plastics_Polymers_Elastomers/Films_Sheets.html

http://www.primasil.com/text.asp?PageId=12

http://www.quantumsilicones.com/products.php

http://www.artmolds.com/product_details.cfm?product_id=245&page=0&cat_name=Silicone%20Dyes/Paints#

http://www.fluorochemsilanes.co.uk/silicone%20selection%20guide.htm

http://www.cpfindusprod.com/4.6.asp

http://www.wurdack.com/silicones.html

I know this post is really messy with all those link but It may help find the perfect compliant surface… I really like the fabric with silicone coating but i didnt find any who works great!

Have a nice day
Christopher

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