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Posted: 22 January 2008 09:22 PM   [ Ignore ]
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I can’t claim to be the one who found this...saw it mentioned the other day in the IRC channel & since I don’t log ( I understand that’s off-topic in most freenode channels) I can’t recall who DID find it...credit should go to them tho...whoever they were wink

frighteningly cheap first surface mirrors: http://www.surplusshed.com/pages/item/l3748.html

If those are gone, watch the site...things come and go there sorta randomly, but most of their prices are just what government surplus prices oughta be, dirt cheap wink

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Posted: 21 February 2008 11:13 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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I just order one to test it. I’ll let everyone know what happens.

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Posted: 23 February 2008 12:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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I ordered 2. I’d recommend ordering minumum of 2, since both trackzilla and I had small chips on the edges of one of ours. Although, it depending on the setup, it may not matter.

Make sure you do NOT glue the mirror to anything to make it more sturdy. I found that the projection can see the glue on the other side a bit and can warp the mirror. Instead tape the mirror to something else if you want to make it less fragile.

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Posted: 04 March 2008 08:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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The mirror does _NOT_ reflect 100%.  You can see bright lights through the glass.  Therefore I can’t guarantee that it will reflect IR well, so it should only be used to lengthen or flip/adjust the projected image.

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Posted: 04 March 2008 08:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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I had hotspots from the projector when using the mirror. So it does reflect IR. I had to buy a hot mirror to put over the projector in order to remove it.

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Posted: 05 March 2008 01:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Yeah, I get hot spots, but I said “well”, and if I can cover my camera with the mirror and it will detect a direct IR illumination (think remote LED), then it doesn’t reflect “well” if that much is getting through. Oh, and my projector is a Samsung SP-P310ME which uses LEDs, not a standard bulb, so there isn’t IR from the projector.

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Posted: 05 March 2008 03:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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well...aside form the chipping mentioned, mine seem quite adequate at bouncing both visible and IR so far…

But another link for those needing ‘smallish’ mirrors:

http://www.sciplus.com/category.cfm/category/190

the largest they have currently is around 7”, but the prices are again, certainly attractive...my small mirror needs are all taken care of, I need 2 BIG ones to pull off what I’m trying tho...so someone follow up here about the quality of these if they test em, k?

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Posted: 18 April 2008 05:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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OK, more mirror choices for the ‘budget-challenged’ seeking large or multiple mirrors

Glass is NOT your only option

First surface mirror is also available in Acrylic and Styrene plastics at least. Both are specialty materials available on-line and possibly from your local glass shops or sign shops. Both are normally only available as full 4’ x 8’ (1.22m x 2.44m) sheets. Styrene is available in much thinner dimensions as it is less easily fractured, and thicknesses up to .040” (1.02mm) are rolled up and boxed so they can ship via UPS in a full sheet inexpensively. Acrylic and thicker styrene must be cut down to 32” x 48” (1/3 sheet) to ship UPS.

The Acrylic is a vacuum deposited aluminum mirror just like most glass mirrors, the Styrene is a (vinyl?) mirror laminate that is bonded to the styrene and hence has a very slight ‘micro-grain’ texture.

I purchased a full sheet of 3mm thick Acrylic FSM from a local sign shop, so I have a bit more than a half sheet of excess, it is available to whomever might want it, or specific sizes/shapes from it, at my per square inch cost & the shipping. I opted for the Acrylic as I am doing a four mirror bounce in my final build, and didn’t wish to trust compounding any distortion created by the texture of the Styrene. It is important to note that with these thinner mirrors, you must plan on bonding it to a substrate material to gain rigidity, and in the case of the rolled styrene, you are supposed to unroll it immediately upon receipt and allow it to lay flat for a few days before working with it. The guys at americanacrylics.com were kind enough to send me samples of these materials before I made my decision, and I noted that the texture of the styrene is VERY minor and will pose absolutely no problem for those needing large mirrors, but stress again that it is very thin & flexible and it may take some care to get a truly flat end result.

Also interesting for the more advanced planners, both materials are heat re-formable, and therefore could make excellent choices for anyone with the math and plastics skills to calculate domed mirrors and dramatically reduce throw distance required for their projector. I would also expect the nominal texture of the Styrene to be reduced dramatically if used for a convex mirror.

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Posted: 18 April 2008 06:06 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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oh...prices I encountered for those materials; I sorta lost my train of thought when the 5.4 magnitude earthquake (yes, earthquake lol) hit in the middle of writing the previous post wink

Acrylic 3mm thick, full sheet locally purchased $315, from American acrylics.com $265 + $20 cut charge + shipping, other sources varied wildly, including one quote of more than $700 for the same sheet

Styrene .040” thick, again from americanacrylics.com $88 + shipping (damn cheap!)

I do plan on using the styrene on some future builds…

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Posted: 22 September 2008 01:26 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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SurplusShed also sells on eBay.  I just picked up 6"x7"x1/8" fs mirror from them for $12 shipped.  They still have 100 left.

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Posted: 18 December 2008 09:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Damn thats cheap!

Also if you live in the UK.  I ordered a 400x400x6mm first surface mirror from a company called Vaccum Coatings. 
http://www.scientificmirrors.co.uk/ is the link to them, quite reasonable prices and cut to order, also the 6mm works out cheaper!  They can do some very big sheets aswell.  I had no chips and delivery was fairly swift.

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Posted: 07 May 2009 05:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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FS mirror

I was just and had a look at IKEA for cheap FS mirrors and found this. I held my phone up towards it and looked if there where any ghosting and there wasn´t! I got the idea yesterday when I looked through IKEAs webshop and saw from the specs that they make some of their mirrors out of acrylic. Turns out, this one was a first surface acrylic mirror for about 20 euro or 24.89 dollars. Beware though, all of their acrylic mirrors where NOT first surface, so hold your phone up towards it or take a picture of it or something first before you buy it.

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Posted: 07 May 2009 06:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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I got this one from IKEA: Godmorgon

Fits perfectly into my table, but I haven’t found out yet if there’s any ghosting.

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Posted: 07 May 2009 08:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Has anybody some experience with this kind of Mirror? :
http://www.astromedia.de/shop/csc_fullview.php?Artikelnummer=506.VFG&VID=WVJYowoEmCeF5v1W
The price is amazing. The Mirror is floating glass, coated with aluminium and is used by astronomer so it should be no crap.

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Posted: 07 May 2009 09:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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No, but if it’s large enough for your setup go and test it. The price is nearly donated smile

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Posted: 20 June 2009 09:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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cdog - 07 May 2009 09:10 AM

No, but if it’s large enough for your setup go and test it. The price is nearly donated smile

ha ha lol, i was blind as you. it is all in mm!
after investing € 2,90 i got yesterday a sweet tiny
mirror thingy of 2 x 1,5 cm . so cute smile

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