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Finally, A working compliant surface
Posted: 08 May 2007 06:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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I am using the piece of crap that came bundled with ddr for the original xbox.

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Posted: 08 May 2007 06:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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build18er - 07 May 2007 05:14 PM

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If you have any intention of playing Dance Dance Revolution for the PC, make sure you have one of these dance pads/mats!
http://www.sztopway.cn/product/othere.htm

That one right? cos i’m about to get it off ebay, seems to be the only one i’ve seen that is advertised as having a non slip bottom.  I assume it is infact worth buying to use as a compliant surface?

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Posted: 08 May 2007 07:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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looks right
give it a try
i am not making any promises, but it seems like it should work.

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Posted: 11 May 2007 06:07 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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well i got my konami dance mat today, and its NOT the right one!
Damm, no clear stuff on it anyway.... well it wasn´t to expensive, still :(
@build18er: do you have a pic of the mat you used, i really dont want to order another wrong one..., or are you sure that the one joobs put is the right one?

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Posted: 11 May 2007 01:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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did you try it?? the material isn’t clear, its white

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Posted: 11 May 2007 06:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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I wonder if the newer ones are made with a different material than the one build18er has.

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Posted: 11 May 2007 08:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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the one for xbox 360 works too

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Posted: 11 May 2007 09:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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builder is refering to the white stuff on the bottom-most layer.  I just cut a small square out of my PS2 mat (~1.5 years old).  There are four layers in the mat, and the bottom one is a white ‘rubber’ (looks the same as other mats I’ve used before, so it’s probably the same on most mats).

There is from bottom to top: the white textured material, a very thin foam pad, then a clear plastic, and then the top surface (I cut a 2x2 square out of the corner, so there was no part of the switches in this swatch).

The foam is useless (both for DDR, and for use as a compliant surface), the clear surface is too hard to be compliant, and I didn’t try the top materal.  However, the white ‘rubber’ really works great.  It’s got different texture on each side, and one orientation works much better than the other (rubbery surface down, fabricky surface up).

It feels slightly better under the finger than bare acrylic, gives equally good touches under static pressure as regular acrylic, but sliding touches work *much* better than acrylic.  It seems to be mostly transparent to IR (dims ambient IR light slightly).  No idea how well it works when projecting onto it, but it’s useless for me since it’s nearly opaque (well, diffuse) :(

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Other materials I’ve tried today:

Clear cling wrap:
~ Compliant, feels no better than acrylic (less sticking than bare acrylic, but still very meh).
+ Sliding touch is very slightly better, no change to static touch.
- It’s clingy and hard to get flat on acrylic, tears real easy.

Some plasticky paper (it’s not mylar, but I haven’t been able to find my sheets of mylar anywhere)
Great diffuser, not compliant.

From what I remember of the mylar sheets, they are fantastic diffusers (which is why I was using them), but I don’t think they’re very compliant, at least not the ones I had.

Something called a ‘leading blank’ (Gallery Glass Leading Blanks), which seems to be some material for making fake (or real) stained glass on top of.  Got them at a craft store, and they appear to be a reasonably thin sheet of styrene or something similar.
- Not compliant either
+ Has a great finger feel (top and bottom have different textures, one smoother than the other)
+ Diffuses well

Most every other type of plastic I had lying around the house.  Nothing worked well enough to note, either as a decent diffuser if you need one, or as a compliant surface.

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Does anyone know of a clear or nearly-clear compliant surface that doesn’t diffuse much?

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Posted: 11 May 2007 10:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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why do you need it to be transparent?  your projector should go straight through

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Posted: 11 May 2007 10:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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I’m not using a projector (or a LCD or other electronic display) :D

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Posted: 11 May 2007 10:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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j/c, what are you using then?

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Posted: 11 May 2007 10:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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It’s an input device, no direct visual feedback, but the ‘symbols’ (don’t want to say more right now) are underneath the touch surface and you have to be able to see them in order to interact with it.  They’re not 2D or I could just paint them on top of whatever compliant surface I end up using, and transparency wouldn’t matter.

On one hand, it’s nice since I don’t have the expense of having a projector or the under-surface depth needed for the ‘throw’ of a projector, but on the other hand, it limits my choice of compliant materials and makes ambient IR pollution a total PITA.

I may build a second surface that isn’t transparent, to play around with using it as a music device or something, but for my current project I’m stuck with needing it clear (less than 100% visible light transmission is fine, but diffusion isn’t) unless I modify my end goal :D

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Posted: 12 May 2007 01:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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mmmmh, okay, i´ll check it out again. I was looking for something transparent, I guess…
Damm, left the mat in my uni, closed for the weekend. I´ll check it out on monday.

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Posted: 12 May 2007 05:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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The dance mat arrived today.  Not sure if it’s the correct one.

The backing is a near black expanded foam material.  I havent tested it out, but i would doubt you could project through it?

Joat, what kind of dance mat did you have?

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Posted: 12 May 2007 06:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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my mat is XB-007.  Is had the top layer, a middle white sponge layer, and the bottom layer is about 2mm thick black foam. 

How think is the white foam you are using?

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