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Posted: 08 March 2010 07:16 AM   [ Ignore ]
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Hey students,

Also here is our this year’s ideas page: http://wiki.nuigroup.com/Google_Summer_of_Code_2010

Below is the timeline for this years GSoC:

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February 8: 
Program announced. Life is good.

March 8:
~12 noon PST / 19:00 UTC
Mentoring organizations can begin submitting applications to Google.

March 12:
4 PM PDT / 23:00 UTC
Mentoring organization application deadline.

March 13-17:
Google program administrators review organization applications.

March 18:
~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC
List of accepted mentoring organizations published on the Google Summer of Code 2010 site.

March 18-29:
Would-be student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations.

March 29:
~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC
Student application period opens.

April 9:
12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC
Student application deadline.

Interim Period: 
Mentoring organizations review and rank student proposals; where necessary, mentoring organizations may request further proposal detail from the student applicant.

April 21:
All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor - 07:00 UTC

Student ranking/scoring deadline. Please do not add private comments with a nonzero score or mark students as ineligible (unless doing so as part of resolving duplicate accepted students) after this deadline - 17:00 UTC

IRC meeting to resolve any outstanding duplicate accepted students - timing TBD, will be announced well in advance

April 26:
~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC
Accepted student proposals announced on the Google Summer of Code 2010 site.

Community Bonding Period: 
Students get to know mentors, read documentation, get up to speed to begin working on their projects.

May 24: 
Students begin coding for their GSoC projects;

Google begins issuing initial student payments provided tax forms are on file and students are in good standing with their communities.

Interim Period: 
Mentors give students a helping hand and guidance on their projects.

July 12:
~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC
Mentors and students can begin submitting mid-term evaluations.

July 16:
12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC
Mid-term evaluations deadline;

Google begins issuing mid-term student payments provided passing student survey is on file.

Interim Period: 
Mentors give students a helping hand and guidance on their projects.

August 9: 
Suggested ‘pencils down’ date. Take a week to scrub code, write tests, improve documentation, etc.

August 16:
~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC
Firm ‘pencils down’ date. Mentors, students and organization administrators can begin submitting final evaluations to Google.

August 20:
12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC
Final evaluation deadline

Google begins issuing student and mentoring organization payments provided forms and evaluations are on file.

August 23: 
Final results of GSoC 2010 announced

August 30: 
Students can begin submitting required code samples to Google

October (date TBD):
Mentor Summit at Google: Representatives from each successfully participating organization are invited to Google to greet, collaborate and code. Our mission for the weekend: make the program even better, have fun and make new friends.[/img]

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Posted: 07 March 2010 08:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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So I have successfully participated in GSoC twice already, but never for an umbrella project.
E.g., if I want to apply for PyMT, I assume I just file an application for NUIGroup and then explicitly state that I’m applying for this or that PyMT task, right?
(Assuming NUIGroup will be allowed to participate, which I hope.)

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Posted: 09 March 2010 10:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Nice.
The organization application period has already started.

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Posted: 11 March 2010 08:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Don’t forget to apply if you have not done so already. The deadline for mentoring organizations is *today*.

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Posted: 11 March 2010 11:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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smile yes we have applied on the 8th

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Posted: 18 March 2010 02:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Congrats NUIgroup on getting selected to GSOC 2010 smile

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Posted: 18 March 2010 02:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Yeah, congrats!

So if I want to apply for PyMT through NUIGroup, what is the exact process?
Quoting myself from above:

So I have successfully participated in GSoC twice already, but never for an umbrella project.
E.g., if I want to apply for PyMT, I assume I just file an application for NUIGroup and then explicitly state that I’m applying for this or that PyMT task, right?

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Posted: 18 March 2010 02:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Yeah!  awesome guys!

Now lets start spreading the word and hope for some awesome student proposals!

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Posted: 18 March 2010 07:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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I would definitely like to participate in the NUIGroup GSoC this year, I just found out about this opportunity a couple days ago. What is the admission rate like (i.e., how many proposals vs. accepted projects are there)?

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Posted: 19 March 2010 01:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Hello,
I am a student at Arizona State University doing my master’s in Computer Science.

I have an idea for GSoc’10, its based on HCI for visually impaired. Idea is to develop software for mobile phone which acts as keyboard for blind people. In braille language there are 6 circles which are arranged vertically in two columns with 3 circles each. When different circles are punctured on a paper they convey different characters to the blind person who reads them through his fingers. To write braille there are keyboards present which are extremely expensive considering that 70% of blind people in USA are unemployed. So the government has to spend some amount of money from tax payers to make keyboard available to blind people. So a keyboard on touch screen phones (multi-touch phones or even the simple touch screen phones) for them would be a blessing as this would be easily accessible to them and government will also be relieved.

I have been developing software’s for mobile for past 3 years especially for Nokia, also have done development on iPhone. I was also Forum Nokia Champion in the year 2009. So I am confident I can make this project come true.

Hoping to discuss this idea in further detail.

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Posted: 19 March 2010 01:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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hi all, congrats to nui for getting selected in gsoc 2010. I m student from India. I want to participate in gsoc with nui group as my organisation. I have an idea to discuss where can i post it, what is irc channel to discuss.

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This is my chat (sinseer) and Bushman and in between x` on IRC, on my idea as there was no administrator there I guess it will be still useful to convey my enthusiasm for this project,

[12:47] == sinseer [~3fe23154@gateway/web/freenode/x-kzjceneuqbihlufp] has joined #nuigroup
[12:47] sinseer: Hello everyone, Can you tell where can i discuss the idea related to GSoC2010?
[12:48] Lunixed: NUIgroup Forum ?
[12:49] Bushman: #nuigroup channel?
[12:53] sinseer: I did post my idea on Forum at http://nuigroup.com/forums/viewthread/8891/
[12:54] sinseer: ok let me put idea here also
[12:54] Bushman: yes you do that
[12:56] sinseer: its based on HCI for visually impaired. Idea is to develop software for mobile phone which acts as keyboard for blind people. In braille language there are 6 circles which are arranged vertically in two columns with 3 circles each. When different circles are punctured on a paper they convey different characters to the blind person who reads them through her/his fingers. To write braille there are keyboards present which are extremely expensive considering that 70% of blind people in USA are unemployed.
[12:56] sinseer: The government has to spend some amount of money from tax payers to make keyboard available to blind people. So a keyboard on touch screen phones (multi-touch phones or even the simple touch screen phones) for them would be a blessing as this would be easily accessible to them and government will also be relieved.
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[12:58] sinseer: Any feedbacks?
[13:01] Bushman: i think you have forget that blind people are blind, not stupid
[13:02] Bushman: mobile phones have given amount of keys
[13:02] Bushman: it’s usualy something bewteen 16 to 20 buttons
[13:02] Bushman: you think it is so hard for blind person to learn how to use those 20 buttons?
[13:03] Bushman: you should focus on SOFTWARE for mobile phones that would make phones more accesible
[13:03] Bushman: like audio-menu or SMS-lector
[13:04] sinseer: I am talking about iPhone or phones without keyboard?
[13:04] Bushman: one question…
[13:04] sinseer: please
[13:04] Bushman: why would a blind person want a touch SCREEN?
[13:05] sinseer: because that phone has better capability then other phones out there
[13:05] Bushman: yes, you think about while i’ll do my bonsai
[13:05] Bushman: sinseer: like?
[13:05] Bushman: name one
[13:05] sinseer: iPhone App store has more than 1,00,000 apps thats why
[13:06] sinseer: which maybe useful to this person
[13:07] sinseer: And the keyboard isnt Qwerty for most of the phones out there
[13:07] Bushman: name one?
[13:07] sinseer: QWERTY ones are Nokia N97
[13:07] sinseer: which I am using
[13:08] Bushman: still…
[13:08] Bushman: name one?
[13:08] sinseer: about what?
[13:09] sinseer: if you talking about non QWERTY then there are plenty of phones like Nokia 6600
[13:09] Bushman: ok, you’r not reading what i’m writing here…
[13:10] Bushman: read again what you have saidm then read what I have said and come back with the answer
[13:10] sinseer: Can you please specify your question more clearly
[13:11] Bushman: meanwhile i’ll finish cuting my bonsai
[13:12] sinseer: hmm oh ok so you are asking me apps which are on iPhone?
[13:12] sinseer: ok let me tell you about Location based applications which like AZ guardian app
[13:13] Bushman: what does it do?
[13:14] sinseer: this app needs GPS coordinates, iPhone (extremely popular in US FYI) has good service in this regard as it can tell GPS coordinates even inside a building which most phones don’t example Nokia N97 (one of the best hardware featured phones by Nokia)
[13:16] Bushman: and?
[13:17] sinseer: what do you mean by “and”?
[13:18] Bushman: well, you didn’t said what does it do
[13:19] sinseer: it takes the GPS coordinates and sends it to server which tells you politicians around your area and also there contact details
[13:21] Bushman: and how those said politicians are going to help the blind person in every day life?
[13:24] sinseer: Man either you havent used smartphone in your entire life or you are here just to make fun of any idea, both of which are not constructive
[13:25] Bushman: nokia 6600
[13:25] Bushman: HTC BlueAngel with WM6
[13:25] sinseer: Nokia 6600 isnt smartphone first of all
[13:25] Bushman: now, could you answer the question?
[13:26] sinseer: BlueAngel was in 2003 which didn’t even had Wifi
[13:27] sinseer: and to answer your question first visit some blind foundation in your area ask those fellows what they would like there phone to do and tell them this idea and then ask there feedback
[13:28] Bushman: donno bout your’s but my BA does have wifi
[13:29] Bushman: sinseer: ok, i still don’t see the point of using a GPS to locate some politicians
[13:29] sinseer: you asked me some application I told you
[13:30] Bushman: put the keyboard aside for a moment and tell me what benefits a blind person has of this app
[13:30] Bushman: is it an app that will “say” with voice where to go to find this politician?
[13:30] sinseer: first of all this app wasnt my point of discussion
[13:30] Bushman: ok so let’s asume this app is “must have” for every blind
[13:31] Bushman: why can’t he just use normal GPS to go there?
[13:31] sinseer: I cant convey to you
[13:31] Bushman: why iPhone?
[13:31] sinseer: why blind person
[13:31] sinseer: would require that
[13:32] Bushman: so let me sum this up…
[13:32] sinseer: because you are one of the people who have eyes and dont understand that simple GPS coordinates cant relate to politicians directly
[13:32] Bushman: you want a GOVERMENT to PAY for some brile keyboards with tax payers money so some blind person can use iPhone to find a politician?
[13:33] sinseer: Oh man you are so ignorant
[13:33] Bushman: but you are unable to tell me what for?
[13:33] sinseer: you asked me one app for iPhone I told you one!
[13:33] Bushman: ok, it’s fine with me
[13:33] sinseer: and 1,00,000 apps are there
[13:33] Bushman: ok so to prove i’m not ignorant
[13:33] sinseer: out of which many require keyboard
[13:33] Bushman: choose anothe one
[13:34] sinseer: sorry I am not here to justify my idea because you wont understand a simplistic idea
[13:35] sinseer: just curious what kind of development have you doing?
[13:35] sinseer: are you doing?
[13:36] Bushman: that means you can’t stand up to fight for your own opinion
[13:36] Bushman: if you alow me, i’d like to start from the very begining and think about the issue for one more time
[13:36] Bushman: so basicaly you want to develope a brile keyboards for touchscreen devices, right?
[13:37] sinseer: it means you dont understand that world is going to touch screen and the blind will be in disadvantage position because the voice to commands isnt in its best state of art till that time there needs to be solution
[13:38] Bushman: i’m aware of that
[13:38] sinseer: great! kudos you finally got my idea
[13:39] Bushman: i’m aware that voice commands are not well developed
[13:40] Bushman: but still you didn’t answer my previous question
[13:40] Bushman: so basicaly you want to develope a brile keyboards for touchscreen devices, right?
[13:40] Bushman: if yes…
[13:40] sinseer: YES!
[13:41] Bushman: is the user gonna use the touch screen too?
[13:41] sinseer: obviously
[13:41] Bushman: how if he’s blind?
[13:41] Bushman: i’m asking seriously
[13:42] Bushman: how is he gonna know what is on the screen and where to tap?
[13:42] Bushman: or
[13:42] Bushman: where does your keyboard has focus
[13:43] Bushman: consider this discusion as constructiv criticism without specyfic sollution cause it’s you who should find those solutions ;]
[13:44] Bushman: the external hardware part isn’t very complicated
[13:44] Bushman: 6 buttons for character input and, i don’t know, maybe 2-6 other function buttons
[13:44] Bushman: but what about the software?
[13:45] Bushman: you told me you wamt to make it for touch screens,
[13:45] Bushman: ok, fine for me
[13:45] sinseer: software is made on iPhone using Titanium developer kit
[13:45] Bushman: ok, you have a devkit
[13:45] Bushman: coll
[13:45] Bushman: *cool
[13:46] Bushman: but, does the apps know that you are using “blind mode”?
[13:46] Bushman: how are you going to solve this problem?
[13:46] sinseer: this will be stand alone mode
[13:47] sinseer: this will be in stand alone mode
[13:47] Bushman: for example, you have an app that might be VERY useful for blind person but this app has like 6 diferent text fields to fill out
[13:47] Bushman: what do you mean “stand alone”?
[13:47] Bushman: it’s not going to be a part of the OS?
[13:47] sinseer: any application that can be downloaded and run on your device
[13:47] Bushman: like keyboard app in WM?
[13:47] sinseer: iPhone OS isnt opensource
[13:48] sinseer: so I cant include directly in there OS
[13:48] Bushman: like keyboard app in WM?
[13:48] Bushman: but you can add system-wide keyboard app, right?
[13:49] sinseer: yes that can be done in jailbroken phone
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[13:50] Bushman: oh, so it won’t be avilable for all the iPhone users?
[13:50] Bushman: that’s bad
[13:51] sinseer: once basic application is made the thing can be ported to Apple too so that they can put it on there phone
[13:52] Bushman: ok, so you have an input device, what next?
[13:53] Bushman: how are you planing to use it?
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[13:53] Bushman: every app on iPhone is GUI-based
[13:53] Bushman: so ti has buttons ON the screen
[13:54] Bushman: how do you plan to make it “accessible” for blind people with your keyboard/software?
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[13:59] sinseer: Free app on App store.
[14:03] Bushman: no, i mean OTHER apps
[14:04] Bushman: “accesible” wich means blind people could USE them
[14:06] sinseer: I said in Jailbroken phones multitasking can be done but for the phones which are not jailbroken the app can be taken to Apple so that they can incorporate it in there OS and as the source is open other open source projects dealing with HCI can use it
[14:07] Bushman: do i realy have to draw this for you?
[14:07] Bushman: your app, let’s name it “app X”
[14:07] Bushman: and there are other apps, let’s name it “app A, app B, app C, etc”
[14:08] Bushman: let’s asume that app A has 3 text fields and 4 buttons on the screen
[14:09] Bushman: how does the app X going to “help” blind person to USE app A
[14:09] Bushman: ?
[14:09] sinseer: it will in Jailbroken phones as two apps can run there simultaneously
[14:09] Bushman: that’s not my point!
[14:10] Bushman: let’s asume you can run 7 apps simultaneously
[14:10] Bushman: same question
[14:10] Bushman: how does the app X going to “help” blind person to USE app A
[14:10] sinseer: your point is how do my app send data to app A if it needs some input
[14:10] Bushman: yes
[14:10] Bushman: and
[14:10] Bushman: how does the USER know where is he sending?
[14:11] sinseer: there is a point of focus on particular app
[14:11] Bushman: x29a: is it him or is there something wrong with me?
[14:11] Bushman: sinseer: yes, there is
[14:11] sinseer: please see screenshot app for Nokia
[14:11] Bushman: but how does the user KNOW where it is?
[14:11] sinseer: you will understand
[14:11] sinseer: what I mean
[14:12] Bushman: dude, i have a youch screen and i’ve tried to use apps with keyboard
[14:12] Bushman: belive me… even with my eyes open it’s pain in the ass
[14:12] Bushman: *touch screen
[14:13] sinseer: sure it must be, thats why I said try screenshot app for Nokia
[14:13] Bushman: my point is, you don’t need special input device, you need special software for blind people to verbaly visualise the screen
[14:14] sinseer: and my point is the hardware interaction is important
[14:14] Bushman: -_-
[14:14] sinseer: as it makes blind people without adapting to new technology continue there work easily
[14:14] Bushman: ok, you’ve forced me to do this…
[14:14] Bushman: you can make such keyboard ON the screen
[14:15] Bushman: divide the screen in 6
[14:15] Bushman: viola!
[14:15] Bushman: now
[14:15] Bushman: how the use knows WHERE IS HE WRITING?!
[14:15] Bushman: *user
[14:16] sinseer: have you heard about iPhone for blind people where the phone reads out what this person is doing
[14:17] Bushman: i should poke your eyes out and give you an iphone with a person who is ONLY entering key strokes on the on-screen keyboard for you but does not report what have you typed or where
[14:17] sinseer: the phone will read out to the person that he is using “App A”
[14:17] Bushman: now you’r talking
[14:17] Bushman: is it compatible with ALL the apps?
[14:17] sinseer: yes sir!
[14:18] Bushman: or is it another third party software?
[14:18] sinseer: no sir its a iPhone enhancement especially for blind people
[14:18] Bushman: does all the iPhone apps are designed to support this enhancement?
[14:19] sinseer: iphone apps run on OS and hence these apps follow certain guidelines while being made for OS so yes to answer your question
[14:20] Bushman: ok, i’ll asume that all the apps will be read “out loud”
[14:20] Bushman: in that case
[14:21] Bushman: why do you need the keyboard at all in the first place?
[14:21] sinseer: perfect now you getting to the point
[14:22] sinseer: see the blind people/children are trained from the very beginning to work on a special typewriter sort of input device which has 6 keys
[14:22] sinseer: this is much easier for them then to understand regular keyboard which has many keys
[14:22] Bushman: well, as far as now i’ve came to the point where your device is useles if i have such cool reading out-loud software
[14:22] sinseer: so to make there life easier
[14:23] sinseer: the input remains same for them on mobile phone instead of some other way like some software reading them out loud what they are pressing key on
[14:24] Bushman: what about non-keyboard buttons?
[14:24] Bushman: does those still get read out loud when pressed?
[14:25] sinseer: Sir are you administrator here at NUI for GSoC, if no then please use all those things which I have pointed out first and then ask the questions or use our best friend “Google”
[14:26] sinseer: Because it seems you really are here for just argument without knowing the underneath technology
[14:26] sinseer: and I am here to give idea not discuss precisely how it would be done
[14:26] Bushman: i hate apple, i didn’t have a reason to know all this things until you came
[14:26] sinseer: because if I was in position to give all answers to “how” then I would have already created this project
[14:27] Bushman: oh
[14:27] Bushman: so you have an idea
[14:27] Bushman: and i wanted to point you the problems with your idea
[14:27] Bushman: you can’t only focus on things that go well
[14:28] Bushman: “let’s make a keyboard!!! yay!”
[14:28] Bushman: “cool! we have a keyboard! what now?”
[14:28] sinseer: you never pointed out problems with idea you pointed out things which you had no idea about asking me if it can be done or not
[14:29] Bushman: everything can be done
[14:29] Bushman: it’s just that sometimes it’s not worth to do it
[14:29] sinseer: oh really
[14:29] sinseer: great sir
[14:30] Bushman: in this very moment my point is:
[14:30] sinseer: i am really spell bounded by your perception of any idea and philosophy “everything can be done but not worth to do it”
[14:31] Bushman: if you have so powerfull device like iPhone (cause i know it does have some neath hardware) you don’t need to add more hardware, you need a better software
[14:31] Bushman: focus on that
[14:32] x`: sinseer: there is a nice debate about related stuff here: http://groups.google.com/group/tts-for-android/browse_thread/thread/a81802f53adcbf01
[14:32] sinseer: and I am only focussing on software
[14:32] Bushman: and consider my idea of creating your device in form of “on-screen” keyboard
[14:32] Bushman: you do?
[14:33] Bushman: hmm…
[14:33] sinseer: your idea ha ha ROFLMAO from last 2 hours I am saying of keyboard for blind did you thought I am making some new hardware??
[14:34] sinseer: Surely x` will see the discussion
[14:34] Bushman: yes, and you didn’t figured that out for 2 hours?
[14:34] Bushman: i keep repeating word “hardware”
[14:35] Bushman: ok, so we sorted that out
[14:35] Bushman: now
[14:35] sinseer: sorry Sir I thought I made clear on proposal itself “Idea is to develop software for mobile phone which acts as keyboard for blind people.”
[14:35] Bushman: ok
[14:36] Bushman: can i sugest something?
[14:36] sinseer: sure please
[14:36] Bushman: morse code
[14:36] Bushman: 2 buttons only
[14:36] Bushman: the keyboard can take less space on the screen
[14:37] Bushman: i have used a “morse texter” app before
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[14:37] Bushman: you can input characters with just 2 thumbs insted of 6 fingers
[14:38] sinseer: oh Sir can you think a child who is made to know about braille so that he can understand the text for blind will be able to use morse
[14:38] Bushman: yes
[14:38] Bushman: yes i do
[14:38] sinseer: its like for non-blind people replace QWERTY keyboards by morse code will you be ever interested in it??
[14:38] Bushman: kids have great potention to learn
[14:39] Bushman: yes, i would
[14:39] sinseer: go ahead sure I expected that answer
[14:39] Bushman: and to be honest it’s a quite interesting idea
[14:39] sinseer: yeah sure!
[14:39] tbc_: huh. I have to say I was interested in proposing an idea here as well, but after reading the last go-round bewteen sinseer and Bushman, I think I might save my idea for a more open crowd.
[14:40] Bushman: i could have use my wireles mouse to write all this not even geting upp from my bead
[14:40] Bushman: hmm…
[14:40] Bushman: i wonder if there is such software alredy
[14:40] Bushman: i need to browse trough the HAM’s repos
[14:40] Bushman: brb
[14:41] sinseer: yeah tbc_ atleast at this place Bushman are interested in having morse code rather than QWERTY
[14:41] x`: smile
[14:41] x`: sinseer, there is one big problem with your idea for the iPhone though
[14:42] x`: braille keyboards require up to 6 simultaneous presses, am i right?
[14:42] sinseer: yeah x`
[14:42] x`: how much can the iPhone handle
[14:42] sinseer: not simultaneous x
[14:42] sinseer: its not necessary to be simulatneous
[14:42] x`: sorry then i understood wrong, care to give a quick explanation about how it works?
[14:43] x`: i mean if you do know form experience, otherwise i’ll just google further wink
[14:43] sinseer: yes ir
[14:43] sinseer: Sir
[14:44] sinseer: I know that not from first hand experience but have been involved with working voluntarily for blind foundation
[14:44] x`: i tried to find a video of it on youtube, but to no avail
[14:44] sinseer: http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~suan/misc/braille.gif
[14:44] x`: it is a strange looking keyboard though, must be interesting to see people use it
[14:44] sinseer: please see the link
[14:45] Bushman: it’s keyboard like
[14:45] Bushman: ooo === ooo
[14:45] sinseer: http://www.floridareading.com/images/EasyLink12Keyboard.jpg
[14:45] Bushman: 6 dots and sort of space or something
[14:45] sinseer: please see this link x`
[14:45] Bushman: hmm…
[14:46] Bushman: that’s something unusual rasberry
[14:46] x`: ok so you’ve got up to 5 simultaneous presses on this, just for the letters, and then up to six for certain words?
[14:46] sinseer: there isnt simultaneous need
[14:46] x`: still can’t figure out how it works then smile
[14:47] sinseer: see lets consider word “A”
[14:47] Bushman: http://www.nyise.org/braillenote/lesson1_files/image001.jpg
[14:47] x`: 6 dots need to be formed for a certain letter or word, so you tap them out one after the other?
[14:47] sinseer: coz every key represent a particular dot
[14:48] sinseer: in braille
[14:48] x`: ok, 1 dot at 0,0 ... so press the key that represents it and then press “next letter"-key ... right?
[14:48] sinseer: yes for letter A it will work
[14:49] Bushman: sinseer: so you’r planing to assemble the brile character dot by dot?
[14:49] x`: how fast can they type this way?
[14:49] sinseer: really fast
[14:49] sinseer: and its more logical for them
[14:49] x`: seems pretty arduous
[14:49] x`: yeah i guess so
[14:49] Bushman: sinseer: ?
[14:50] x`: probably the physical feel of the keyboard helps too.
[14:50] Bushman: you said it will work on single touch screen
[14:50] sinseer: yes x~
[14:50] sinseer: x`
[14:50] x`: like i can’t type blind on a touch keyboard, but can do it easily on a regular one
[14:50] Bushman: how would the input proces look like?
[14:51] sinseer: ok just a question from my side Bushman are you student?
[14:51] x`: a quick search reveals that such a keyboard has not been developed for the touch screen, and i can certainly see some use for it. but you do have to take some of these drawbacks into account. Lack of “feel” for this touch screen keyboard might be a deal breaker.
[14:51] Bushman: now how that’s important?
[14:52] x`: here is an interesting discussion too: http://blog.jantrid.net/2009/06/touch-screen-keyboard-difficulty-for.html
[14:52] sinseer: x` its true
[14:53] sinseer: but there need to be some small start to take thing further to level where the six fingers by this person pressed on phone the circles can be directly formed there
[14:54] sinseer: Bushman atleast answer my one question you have asked me so many questions
[14:54] Bushman: no, i’m not a student
[14:54] Bushman: i work for living
[14:54] Bushman: now you answer my question
[14:54] x`: aha i see what you mean now, sinseer
[14:54] sinseer: cool x`
[14:54] Bushman: how do you plan to input 6 dots on single-touch screen?
[14:55] x`: tap the dots out
[14:55] x`: full screen keyboard, is what i imagine bushman
[14:55] Bushman: one by one, dot by dot?
[14:55] sinseer: Bushman you are developer for some company?
[14:55] x`: i think that is also how the physical keyboard works

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